Mini- Rant

Feb. 6th, 2012 03:56 pm
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I'm not going to apologise for being angry, only for being slightly less articulate about it than normal.

Who the Fuck is this woman in the Avengers trailers? 
Why the Fuck has she not had A SINGLE LINE YET, let alone a whole movie setting her up, like the rest of the gang?
and
Why the Fuck is there only one of her, while I can count at least 5 blokes (not counting Mr Badass himself, Nick Fury)? 


Ok, I admit, I'm a DC girl at heart... but looking at the Marvel Cannon a bit more closely, I am still really struggling to think of any female characters they've done. With the exception of all the X-Women. Who are still called X-Men.* 

There's Shulkie (She-Hulk for the uninitiated) - Who is essentially The Hulk with boobs...
And Electra, who I know nothing about save the name...
And the girl from the Fabulous Four or Famous Five or whoever they are; The Invisible Woman**

And is that it?

Apparently not according to this list, but that said, I'll give you a shiny penny if you could name half of the women listed there without looking. And how many of Marvel's women are headliners? I can think of 2. Shulkie and Electra. 

Now, I know, the current situation of women in comics is crap, really crap, so maybe it's unfair of me to single out Marvel like this...

So let's look at DC. How many DC Heroines can you name? I'm pretty sure you'll recognise at least some of the following.

Wonder Woman (Plus Donna Troy, Wonder Girl and all the Amazons)
Catwoman
Power Girl
Oracle
Batgirl
All of the Birds of Prey. Not some of them, like the X-Women, or a token one in the Fab Four, ALL OF THEM.
Zatanna
Huntress
Black Canary
Super Girl
About half the Green Lanterns

And that's just the ones who Headline their own series. 
And how about their iconic Villains? Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn, the Cheetah and all that lot?

I'm calling Marvel out on this one. 

But I'm also calling DC out on this one too, because, of all those women I've just listed, I think one of them has had a movie made about her (Catwoman) and it wasn't great. I am really annoyed that at the very least they haven't done a Wonder Woman film yet. She's one of the Big Three, and the other two (Batman and Superman) have had Multiple films.

Come on Comics World and Hollywood - there is a whole other 50% of the world out there who would love to be allowed to Kick Ass on the big screen!




*And, ok, I really like the X-men, though some of the films are a little problematic in their treatment of women. Heck, at least their women *exist*, there are plenty of them and they aren't just girlfriends of the main characters. 

** Which says it all really.

Date: 2012-02-06 04:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pangolin-jones.livejournal.com
Marvel "used" to be great for some degree of representation. Rogue was a much much better character before the movies/cartoon series got to her. Mystique was practically god in regards to plot devices - Need a mysterious parent? Mystique, Who tried to have me killed? - Mystique. Who was on the grassy knoll? Not Mystique because she was actually Jackie Onasis with the hypodermic syringe next to JFK. I'll agree that a lot of characters were introduced as girlfriends - but marvel was the publisher who broke the mould by making those relationships integral to the story. Wolverine/Mariko for example.

There were also the non convential female archetypes out there - Callisto stands as an obvious example. Also a good example of how the corporate brand chopped off every single bit of what was good about the character and then put her on the screen for five seconds for the fan boys to be happy with them.

Emma Frost was a much much much *MUCH* Better character about twelve years ago. Twenty years ago she would have neemed your head off from range while having decent 3 dimensional motivations. These days - if Fox Kids dont like it, it goes.

Marvel Uk also had a whole bunch of better character agents for women. Betsy Braddock, Megan, Her, the list goes on.

The thing is - your point stands. As i see it Marvels film based success is to blame for the comic strips dumbing down. The Cartoons couldnt manage it. But Hollywood can. Dc's licences are not succesful enough so they retain creative freedoms not allowed to the mainstream.

Kind of shows you which medium is actually the more sexist in my opinion.

Date: 2012-02-06 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hooverpig.livejournal.com
Are you talking about the character played by Scarlett Johansson? She's got quite a part in Iron Man 2, so I'm not sure what you mean by her not having spoken a single line. Also, Hawkeye didn't get his own movie pre-Avengers and said a lot less in Thor than Black Widow did in Iron Man 2...

Date: 2012-02-06 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sesquepadalia.livejournal.com
Oh is *that* who she is? I had no idea.
And her not having spoken a single line refers to in the Avengers trailers. Probably hence my not recognising who the hell she was...

I still think there should be more women super-heroes out there though, and I really wish they'd give the ones they've got some more screen-time, character, plot, etc. I hate feeling like we've been relegated to support status all the time.

Date: 2012-02-06 08:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hooverpig.livejournal.com
I agree with the whole lack of women super-heroes thing btw. Just thought you might have missed that it was Black Widow!

Date: 2012-02-09 04:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kurenai-tenka.livejournal.com
Hah, well you've caught me in the middle of writing my dissertation (on the representation of women in comics) so I'm not going to go into too much detail, but DC is very guilty of a lot of things as regards to it's female characters, though which one's get picked up for movies is mostly out of their hands.

That said I'd love a good Wondy movie too, though I know I'd be disappointed.

Date: 2012-02-09 11:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sesquepadalia.livejournal.com
I started one of those, on much the same subject, so I totally get where you're coming from there.

Really want to see a WW movie - possibly we should persuade Gail Simone to write one...

Date: 2012-02-09 11:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kurenai-tenka.livejournal.com
Heh, really? Small world. :)

And ooh yes, that would be good... that or the current writer. Thing is, even with an amazing script the imagery would almost definitely be really objectifying, and the studio would probably botch the script too. =/

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